Dana Loesch v. Ed Schultz battle it out on Obamacare in a contrasting home-and-home match

Recently, on their respective television shows, Dana Loesch and Ed Schultz debate the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) (aka Obamacare).


Round 1 (MSNBC's The Ed Show):
On Thursday, 11.13.2014, Schultz hosted Loesch, Community Health TV CEO Dr. Corey Hebert, and MSNBC's Krystal Ball. Of course, as usual, Loesch was acting like a rude screaming banshee on major-level national television by filibustering the host and the other two guests.

Left of Center at Crooks and Liars on her Ed Show appearance:

Dana Loesch, author of "Hands Off My Gun" begins by trying to discredit Ed by using the phrase, "those are White House Numbers." As if these were different than the CBO numbers he was talking about, then she tries to play the "my friends and family are all losing their healthcare" game and has not one official fact she can cite.

She dodges the question, 'are there fewer insured than there were one year ago before the implementation of Obamacare?' Instead of answering the questions, she brings up the Politifact lie of the year, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him" in a sad attempt to distract Ed from the question, 'do fewer people have insurance now than one year ago.' Still, she fails to answer the simple question, are there fewer uninsured than one year ago?
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I honestly can't get through this awful fiction-festival any more. I'm disgusted these morons get to be in charge of 70% of the state legislatures, a majority in the House AND Senate. Her interview just depicts how intellectually and factually bankrupt this party is. Poor Krystal Ball and Corey Hebert had to combat her fictitious bullshit and refute claims of fantastical origins. The Republicans can't tell us what we're going to keep on Obamacare, just what's going to be cut. There was at least five minutes of her pointless obstruction and it let's us know there is no reasoning with people living in Crazytown, Fantasyland, USA.

From the 11.13.2014 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show:


PunditFact on Loesch's Obamacare Lies:

Loesch said that 4.7 million people have lost their health insurance due to Obamacare. That number matches one cited by the Associated Press based on preliminary estimates and incomplete data. The best estimate from independent researchers is that perhaps 2.6 million people received notices that their health care insurance policies were being canceled. 

However, Loesch spoke as if these people, whatever their number, did not find replacement coverage. In reality, fewer than 1 million people who had been part of the individual insurance market ended up with no coverage at all. Given the constant churn in that market, it is unlikely that the Affordable Care Act caused all of them to be without health insurance. 

Loesch’s number is off, both in terms of the cancellations and what people did afterward. Still, the new law did hurt some people. 

We rate the claim Mostly False.

Round 2 (TheBlazeTV's Dana):
In contrast to the shoutfest that Loesch filibustered her way into being the dominant voice on The Ed Show segment featuring the two last week, the interview on Dana had a much calmer tone.


Josh Feldman at Mediaite on Schultz v. Loesch Part 2:

Ed Schultz hosted BlazeTV’s Dana Loesch on his MSNBC show last week and things ended up getting pretty damn heated. They fought each other and Schultz said Loesch was being rude and “unworkable.”
So today, they faced off for Round 2 on Loesch’s BlazeTV show, and… it was actually very respectful and no one raised their voices at each other.
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He repeatedly said he’s not completely thrilled with the law, but as first steps go, it’s a good start.

From the 11.17.2014 edition of TheBlazeTV's Dana:





In both rounds, Loesch had the lies and Schultz had the truth on his side.

CNN and KFTK's resident xenophobe Dana Loesch: "Martin Bashir can go back to the UK for all I care"

On yesterday's edition of The Dana Show on KFTK 97.1 FM, CNN "Contributor" and racist xenophobe Dana Loesch told MSNBC's Martin Bashir to "get out of this country, and if want to cover politics and celebrities, do it back in your home country."

From the 04.19.2012 edition of KFTK's The Dana Show: 


Loesch is an arschloch (or asshole).

The Raw Story:

Dana Loesch is apparently furious at MSNBC’s Martin Bashir. Yesterday, Bashir called former Massachusetts Governor and presumptive Republican candidate for president Mitt Romney a liar and said that by his own faith’s tenets, he’s going to hell for what he said about President Obama and the economy. 

That was apparently more than Loesch, an CNN contributor, erstwhile Andrew Breitbart protege and supporter of corpse desecration could stomach hearing about her party’s nominee. In a sputtering freakout rant from Thursday’s edition of “The Dana Show,” the CNN contributor called Bashir “an unintelligent hack,” and “a foreigner,” who isn’t qualified to cover U.S. politics.

I have some news for you, Dana! Bashir is more qualified than you to cover American politics in a truthful and an efficient manner. And this will embarrass you even more: Piers Morgan (British) (who has had Loesch on at least twice and on CNN, the same channel where she works) is also a "foreigner", as are Rush's lead sub Mark Steyn (Canada), FBN/FNC's Stuart Varney (British) (a former CNN employee), CNNI's Christiane Amampour, CNN's Ashleigh Banfield (Canada), CNN's Fareed Zakaria (India), CNN's Ali Velshi (Kenya), and former FNC and CNN's Kiran Chetry (Nepal), to name a few non US-born journalists. And by her own definition, this also includes Birther nut Orly Taitz (Moldova) and Dinesh D'Souza (India).

On yesterday's The Dana Show, Loesch falsely complains that "racism has no meaning anymore"

On her radio show yesterday, Dana Loesch has been complaining about "racism has been overplayed by the left." Give me a break, Dana! It's the RIGHTIES (including you) that's been racists (or at least appealing to racists and race-baiters) and liars.

She demonized Martin Bashir and Brian Williams in her "cool points segment" for finger-wagging.

From the 01.31.2012 edition of KFTK's The Dana Show:

Racist Xenophobe Pat Buchanan visits KFTK's The Dana Show

MSNBC Contributor, 3-time Presidential Candidate (Republican, Reform), and notorious racist xenophobe Pat Buchanan went on 97.1 FM NewsTalk's The Dana Show. And of course, Dana Loesch gave Buchanan time to spew his filthy racist and xenophobic rhetoric in his book, Suicide of a Superpower, in addition to the standard Liberal-trashing.

Key Points:

• Buchanan says that the "US's real threat comes from within." (approx. 2:00)
• He says that "American is not as good [conservative] culturally as it used to be." (approx. 2:40)
  Loesch stated that "it's the Liberals that are outraged about this book, because it has good points."  Uh, Ms. Loesch, they are outraged by it, and for good reason: he appeals to white nationalists and paleoconservatives. (approx. 3:11)
• Buchanan says that "Meachem from Newsweek's the one calling for a race war, not me." WRONG, it's YOU that has suggested it. (approx. 3:34)
  Loesch baselessly claimed that countries have never succeeded based on "government entitlements." (approx. 5:10)
• Buchanan misleadingly stated that "people can possibly live off the federal government for all of their lifes-- from cradle to grave." He said he wants to abolish Medicare, Head Start, Food Stamps, etc. (approx. 6:00)
• Loesch says that "our generation has been subject to government subsidizing." (approx. 7:57)

From the 10.24.2011 edition of KFTK's The Dana Show:


MSNBC, please fire Pat Buchanan!!

Today in the World of Dana's Lies

In the past couple of days, the Breitbart toady Big "Journalism" editor-in-chief Dana Loesch has really upped the ante with her brazenly dangerous antics.

Yesterday, she's continuing her War on Unions, with her falsehood of accusing AFL-CIO head Richard Trumka of "condoning union thuggery" while attending Obama's Joint Address to Congress.

Earlier this morning 500 or so members of the AFL-CIO stormed a port in Washington, vandalized the facility, reportedly cut the brake lines of train cars, and held six guards hostage. Shockingly, no one was arrested. Earlier that week a judge issued a restraining order against this same group after they clashed with police while brandishing bats and issuing death threats. Nineteen people were arrested for misdemeanors.

While all of this was going on, the group’s head, Richard Trumka, was invited as a guest of the President to tonight’s jobs address.

Trumka sat with the First Lady — along with GE President Jeff Immelt (while the President gave an address that ironically touched on crony capitalism and big business) as though nothing had happened. I speculated initially as to whether or not the President would continue to force such displays in our faces; the answer is yes, because they want us to grow accustomed to this behavior. They want us to think normal of it when Americans are targeted by, as Hoffa so aptly put it, “Obama’s army.” News barely batted an eye at the violence perpetrated by unions upon Wisconsinites; the majors ignored it when a non-union business owner was shot, his property vandalized for his business being non-union; it’s the Gladney-ization of America and the news is silent. We’ll grow used to seeing such violence play out when the public sector, which accounts for a small percentage of workers in America, doesn’t get it’s way. Acclimation will lead to apathy, and fait accompli their objective is realized.

Typical baseless crap from her. She's still pushing her Gladney nonsense to her gullible readers and her radio show fans.

She did her usual blatantly false "Us Teabaggers are the victims of Union Thugs" tripe".

Hoffa supporters have created a Facebook page on which they have posted the address of tea partier Justen Charters and are encouraging fellow Hoffa supporters to send human excrement through the federal mail system. Why? Because Charters came up with the idea to sent 1,000 tea bags to Jimmy Hoffa, Jr.

Is this what is to be expected when Americans dissent? Violence and being called a “son of a bitch” by a screechy fat cat union boss? How long will the NYT and other outlets continue to ignore this? Will progressives condemn it?

The page in question has since been taken down. At least they had the decency to pull the event, unlike the deranged Righties who routinely get away with graphically violent rhetoric against Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Muslims, LGBTQs, Hispanics, and Arabs, et al., and seldom ever gets deleted off and/or reported.

During MSNBC's debate on Wednesday night, she baselessly implied that "the Moderator Brian Williams hates Texas and Texans."

Brian Williams elicited gasps from the audience (since every question was framed as how poor and mean those people in Texas with their crappy low-paying jobs are) when he asked Perry how he could sleep at night over Texas’s death penalty and high number of those punished.

Shorter Perry response: I sleep pretty damn well, actually, knowing they’re off the streets. Perry responded that it’s a policy for which Texans voted and they’re happy with it. The room cheered.

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Yesterday, on CNN's American Morning, Loesch was paired against CNN Political Analyst Rob Brownstein and Newsweek and The Daily Beast contribtor Mark McKinnon. And as usual, she gave the impression that Bachmann's pretty much toast and considered Perry the winner.


From the 09.08.2011 edition of CNN's American Morning:


Transcript:

Breitbart/Loesch Axis of Evil Ringleader Dana Loesch's week in lies

Breitbart/Loesch Axis of Evil Ringleader and Big Hackulism editor-in-chief Dana Loesch was on CNN this morning to talk about Osama Bin Laden. And, as usual, she went to her bread and butter: talk all over the other guests and lie to the American people.


Transcript from the 05.06.2011 edition of CNN Newsroom (9AM CDT Hour):

COSTELLO: Oh, but it's time for political buzz, a lightning fast conversation hitting the hot political topics of the day. Each of our brilliant political observers get 20 seconds to answer three probing questions.

Dana Loesch is a Tea Party supporter and conservative. Cornell Belcher was a Democratic pollster for the 2008 Obama campaign. And, once again, comedian Pete Dominick will lend his own unique perspective.

So, welcome to you all.

And the first question: have Democrats overcome the wimp factor?

Dana?

DANA LOESCH, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: One decision, which I applaud -- I applaud the decision of the president to send in a human ops team instead of bombing the compound at Abbottabad. But I think the way you can follow this up and show that Democrats have really made a really good turn is to stop the investigation into the CIA members who are interrogating detained terrorists. At the same time, while you're celebrating the victory of the death of bin Laden, which was achieved by those interrogations.

COSTELLO: Cornell?

CORNELL BELCHER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I'm going to first reject and then I'm going to ridicule the very premise of this. I mean, if we're defining being tough as going half-cocked into war that we can't afford and can't pay for, costing thousands of lives and putting our country in debt -- no, we're not very tough. If wimpy means, you know, a measured, thoughtful response when our national security calls for it, well, then yes, we're pretty wimpy on that. We're Peewee Herman if that's the way we're defining it.

COSTELLO: Pete?

PETE DOMINICK, COMEDIAN: Yes. I think how we define the toughness is how we well we kill people or how our president orders our military. Well, then, if we're going with that premise, President Obama just, what, a few weeks into his presidency ordered the same SEAL team to snipers, to kill the Somalian pirates, 30,000 troops in Afghanistan and then bin Laden. If that's how you measure tough, I think he wins.

COSTELLO: OK. Second question: Michael Moore says the shooting of bin Laden was an execution and we should call it that. Do you agree?

Cornell?

BELCHER: You know, who cares what Michael Moore thinks on this? Look, Bin Laden, he's a guy. He's a terrorist who killed thousands of Americans. He's killed people all over the world, not only Americans but Muslims as well.

You can call it whatever you want to call it. He needed getting and we got him.

COSTELLO: Dana?

LOESCH: Whose side is Michael Moore on, anyway? Is he upset that he wasn't able to exploit this for another mockumentary and then go back and make millions of dollars off of it? I'm trying to figure out whose side Michael Moore is on. I think this is triumph of good over evil. He needs to stop with the (INAUDIBLE). COSTELLO: Pete?

LOESCH: He has to. It's done.

DOMINICK: Well, I mean, I kind of agree with Michael Moore. I mean, I think obviously it was an execution.

We found out yesterday there was only guy with a weapon. It's disrespectful to Navy SEALs. They could have taken him down with a crossbow. It's a 54-year-old frail man. They could have choked bin Laden with his own beard.

I mean, it really -- we -- definitely, we executed this guy, for sure.

COSTELLO: Got it.

DOMINICK: Whatever they're supposed to do.

COSTELLO: Third question, the week is ending. We've had a few days to digest all of this. So, what does Osama bin Laden's death really mean?

Dana?

LOESCH: Well, I think we saw images all over the television. I think it's fantastic that everyone was able to unite and realize that this was the ultimate triumph of good over evil. We took out a figurehead of a terrorist organization and I think it sends a loud message that it may take a few years, but we'll track you down and we'll find you in whatever rat hole or overpriced concrete compound in which you live.

COSTELLO: Cornell?

BELCHER: This -- I hope it means this. I hope it means that Osama bin Laden and his sort of evil ways become a footnote in history. If you look at the "Arab Spring" that's taking hold all over the Middle East right now, you know, bombs and guns and killing is not the way forward for bringing about change. I think we've seen that in Egypt. That's what I hope this means, is that this is an end to this way of thinking because it's not the way forward.

COSTELLO: Pete?

DOMINICK: It means different things for different people. One thing for young Americans who were coming of age who feel like their innocence was lost. It means something different for military families, victims' families, of course. But I hope -- I hope it means a pivot point for this president to get out of Afghanistan. And I really believe that that is a possibility right now, and I hope that's what it means.

COSTELLO: Dana, Cornell, Pete -- thanks, as always. And we'll be back again Monday. We enjoyed it.

Osama bin Laden's death might have dealt a blow to al Qaeda. But overcoming our foreign oil addiction could finish them off. We'll take a closer look at that, coming up.

Over the past week, Loesch has made pathetic excuses, such as accusing Barack Obama and the Liberals of "politicizing OBL for their own gain."

I also give credit to Bush for standing by the interrogation practices which delivered the clue that the CIA and military used to track bin Laden to his million-dollar compound.

But for the left and its media to ignore the reason why the action is impossible is petty and demonstrates more allegiance to party than country. The biggest obstacle to killing bin Laden was the left themselves. Had we gone their way instead of staying the course, bin Laden would likely still be alive.

Hey Dana, even if the left stopped waterboarding, Osama Bin Laden would've been dead sooner or later.



Image: Media Matters For America

She also supported Bush's inhumane decision to support waterboarding:
From the 05.02.2011 edition of KFTK's The Dana Show:



These same Right-Wing fools (including her) think that Bush 43 should get at least a significant portion of the credit. I think that Bush the 2x Election Thief does NOT deserve ANY credit in killing OBL.

Also earlier in the week, Loesch was making up more lies, such as that "Color of Change runs MSNBC," especially The Dylan Ratigan Show.

Color of Change, the group founded by admitted Marxist and 9/11 truther Van Jones, is chest-thumping all over Twitter essentially saying that they, not Dylan Ratigan, run “The Dylan Ratigan Show.”
Color of Change seeks to suppress conservative commentary across the board, period. They’re not interested in social justice issues as they market themselves to be, otherwise they would have been the first out of the gate with the Pigford story. They would have been the first to condemn the exploitation of black farmers for monetary and other gain by government officials and members of the Democratic party. Instead, they’ve taken the hard line against those farmers and against dissent of any form.

If this group has succeeded in overtaking a cable news network and fatalistically snuff out any non-progressive voice on a debunked race-baiting charge, it’s troubling for free speech and diverse thought, indeed.

She mentioned the repeatedly debunked falsehood on Pigford, by attacking the Black farmers who were victims of discrimination by the Federal Government and praising John Stossel (who infamously suggested repealing portions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964) and her Axis of Evil parter Andrew Breitbart. Media Matters for America easily rebuts Loesch's lies on this subject:

John Stossel -- who believes that private businesses should have the right to engage in racial discrimination -- devoted another segment of his Fox Business show to attacking the Pigford lawsuit that provided recompense to black farmers who were victims of systemic discrimination by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Stossel set the segment up as a debate between Al Pires, a lawyer who represented the black farmers, and serial liar Andrew Breitbart, who has attacked Pigford as part of his eight-month smear campaign against former USDA official Shirley Sherrod, who first came to prominence after Breitbart posted a deceptively-edited video of a speech she gave that falsely portrayed her as a racist.

Stossel and Breitbart didn't make any new claims about Pigford. Rather, they rehashed the same tired distortions that we've previously debunked -- that the case is a "scam" and the claimants don't deserve their money.

But the segment was notable for Stossel's refusal to acknowledge that there was real, systematic discrimination against black people by the USDA. Recall that back when Stossel argued that "private businesses ought to get to discriminate" on the basis of race and called for the repeal of part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he at least acknowledged that the government should not discriminate.

From the 05.05.2011 edition of FBN's Stossel:


And finally, Loesch and her cohorts (sadly, including supposedly reputable media sources) are still pushing the UMKC/UMSL falsehoods, including the incitation of violence.