Dana Loesch on Real Time w/ Bill Maher

From johntully's Daily Kos diary: Last night on Real Time w/ Bill Maher, Teahadist hack Dana Loesch, John Legend, Daily Kos blogger (which I blog on) Markos Moulitsas, Wall Street Journal's Dan Neil, and Al Sharpton were the guests.

I watched the whole thing, and Dana Loesch got her ass slapped silly for being a liar. John Legend, Dan Neil, and Markos Moulitsas all owned this narrow-minded bigoted assclown. She even tried to claim that she is an Independent (like Bill O'Reilly), but she's really a GOP watercarrier.


A few Kossacks thought that Maher went soft on Dana, but she lied on her own.

Video for those who missed the show:

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Overtime:

Ep. 193: October 15, 2010 - Overtime

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St. Louis Activist Hub: Dana Loesch on Bill Maher

Conservatives think she did great, because they don't care at all whether anything she said was true. Liberals like myself think she looked ridiculous. Either way, it certainly was entertaining:

I agree with Adam Shriver on this. Loesch, as usual, had to resort to GOP Talking Points.

Mediaite (which has a Righty bias) had this:

Real Time host Bill Maher, who normally says “teabagger” more frequently than a foreman on a Lipton assembly line, was on his best behavior last night for “Tea Party Person” (and Hottest Conservative New Media Woman) Dana Loesch. Both he and DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas, another aficionado of the term, studiously avoided using the Tea Party-coined-then-rejected appellation throughout most of the show, obviously in deference to Loesch.

Maher did slip up near the end, though, and Tea Partier Loesch let him have it with both bags.

When Maher first introduced Big Journalism’s Dana Loesch as a “Tea Party Person,” the stage was set for some kind of showdown. Both Maher and panelist Markos Moulitsas are full-throated users of the term “teabagger,” so even if both of them managed to control the urge to whip out the mocking term, it seemed likely that Loesch might confront them about it anyway. As it turns out, Maher “let one go” toward the end of the show, and Loesch pounced:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tea-party-person-dana-loesch-throws-teabagger-back-in-bill-mahers-face/

If anything, Kos and Maher should've called her a "Teabagger" just to piss her off more.


Finally, the right-wing idiots over at Mike Anderson's STLMedia.net boards banned me yet again, simply for telling the truth, which was that Dana The Diva got owned.

DanaBusted.com EXCLUSIVE: Loesch named Editor-in-Chief at Big Journalism

St. Louis's Teabagger Hack Dana Loesch is now the Editor-In-Chief for BigJournalism. Loesch is still expected to work for PJTV, in addition to spewing hate on KFTK daily on The Dana Show.
Too bad Dana can't turn the comments off on her blogs over at Breitfart's sites, like she can over at her blogs (Mamalogues and DanaRadio). There was one hatemail piece earlier this week that tore her apart for NOT allowing comments on her blogs, unlike most Conservative blogs.


=== From DanaRadio.com:

That also means some changes here. This site will now be strictly related to issues, programming notes, and news about my daily show. Daily content on issues of the day will be featured on the Big sites.

== From Michael Walsh at BigJournalism.com:

This is my last post as Editor-in-Chief of Big Journalism.

A year ago this month, Andrew Breitbart and I, along with the rest of the team at Breitbart.com, began planning this site, designing the logo and the layout, recruiting the writers and generally establishing the tone of a new conservative website devoted to all matters media, including the Mainstream Media, New Media and the blogosphere, and the intersection of politics, culture and the press. We launched on Jan. 6, 2009, and we’ve never looked back.

Dana Loesch, whom you all know from her work not only as a blogger and St. Louis radio personality but also as a force in the Tea Party, will guide you on our collective journey from here on out. Please join with me in wishing her nothing but the best.

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That means Media Matters and other Left-wing blogs (including this one and St. Louis Activist Hub) will be going after Loesch a lot more often now than ever before. Her star is rising in Conservative/Teahadist circles. She will have a ton of clout over at Breitbart's hate chamber.

== Other Loesch-related news:
Dana Loesch is scheduled to be on Real Time With Bill Maher this Friday night on HBO.
Mike Anderson at STLMedia.net, praising Loesch:

HBO's Bill Maher will host KFTK/STL's Dana Loesch next Friday. Here are my recommendations for STL's conservative champion...

1. Understand that Maher hates women. Not just conservative women, Maher hates all women. This is a guy who trolls the Playboy Mansion for whores, by Hefner's invitation, and has just one use for them. Maher is a pig. He's dismissive of most conservative ideas but especially when expressed by a female. And the more attractive they are, the more dismissive he is.

3. Dana must do the Hillary Thing, changing her trope from the "good old girl" to one of moderate sophistication. No use of "y'all," at all. The show will be presented before a live audience in Los Angeles and they will have their semi-intellectual claws out. Left coasties think Heartlanders are nothing but White trash non-thinkers.

Mike Anderson, what kind of Dana-loving person are you?! You and your forum at STLMedia.net is CLEARLY biased as hell towards Republicans. Maher hates women claim is patently false.


http://stlmedia.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=aboutbonnevillestations&action=display&thread=8319

DanaBusted.com EXCLUSIVE: Jimi971/WaxStax, Dana's BFF, has called me a stalker, etc...

Recently, Jimi971 is attacking me as an "Unstable Leftist" and other crap that is lie-based.


From STLMedia.net, where some of the posters are calling me a "Moonbat", a "Loon", and even as far as a "Mama's Basement-type stalker", simply for telling it like it is about their favorite Diva Dana Loesch (or any Republican/Conservative for that matter):

WaxStax: It's obvious "death threat boy" that your obsession clouds your senses. How can anyone who threatens, stalks, and makes a baffoon of himself daily in regards to Loesch, hold any credibility in any forum? People on this board that are or have been in the business, know exactly the obsessive type you are. You need help dude.

ThxWaxStax

Gibson? Do you realize that Shriver apparently has disowned you? As I've read anyway? Why don't you stop leaning on him to justify your obsessions with Dana? Even Shriver as left as he is thinks you're "batshit crazy" as you say right?

As for the 9/12 rally? What were you actually watching there? I was there... Shriver the boy, got reprimanded from a grown woman... Were you there Justin? Or were you in your mama's basement waiting on your chicken noodle soup from Mama?

ThxWaxStax

WaxStax (aka @Jimi971), you are lying about Shriver disowning me. He has NOT disowned me. Why don't YOU stop leaning on your BFF Dana for every last bit of political advice and to justifying YOUR stalkerish behavior towards Liberals like Me, Shriver, Jaco, etc?

Waxxy...can you dump this Gibson guy? He has a sick obsession with Dana that goes beyond mere disagreement with her politics. I have read some of his stuff elsewhere and quite frankly, he is nuts.



FanOfRams: By the way Gibson you Moonbat, the word "owned" is in the eye of the beholder. Your "evidence" is useless.

WaxStax: Oh no I'm not going to dump him, I'm dragging this clown out....

Anything else Justin?
http://stlmedia.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=emmis&thread=8293&page=1#82385

Twitter: Jimi971 STILL won't shut up about @STLActivistHub attempting to disown me.

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   @jgibsondem I would again suggest that @stlactivisthub get rid of this clown Justin. He is a time bomb to ruin credibility for sure... 9 minutes ago via web in reply to JGibsonDem
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   @JGibsonDem Justin you idiot, do you think I care if my name is know on a fucking message board? Everyone there knows my name you child. 13 minutes ago via web in reply to JGibsonDem

@stlactivisthub Did you not see the Tweet of Gibsons' that I put out here of blatantly racist comments from him? Yet you FF'd him?

@stlactivisthub @LiberalStLouis I'm glad you agree Adam. Don't let Gibson tie you two together. BTW- JC is an ego-maniac, but talented.
@LiberalStLouis @stlactivisthub Sure. Yet Adam is linked by this guy daily.Leans on Adam to justify his own sorry blog,using Adam. He Hates

@LiberalStLouis @stlactivisthub @DLoesch No and I agree, that's why I wish that Shriver would pay attn to JGibson who is over the top...


Adam Shriver backs up the truth here, and Jimi/WaxStax is clearly fibbing:

@Jimi971 Happy to talk about that, but I'm noting that you have *not* been able to defend @gatewaypundit linking to white supremacist sites.

@Jimi971 I have never said Hoft is racist. I have said that his behavior of linking to white supremacist web sites is reprehensible.

@Jimi971 Hoft was told repeatedly that he was linking to white supremacist sites, yet he kept up the links.

@Jimi971 However, you and @dloesch posted a video of other people laughing at it, and falsely implied that it showed that *I* was laughing.

LiberalStLouis, who's following me on Twitter, said this:
@Jimi971 @stlactivisthub Like I said, we can denounce (which I do) but in the end it's on Gibson. 9:56 PM Oct 7th via web in reply to Jimi971

Dana Loesch embarrasses St. Louisans on AC360 and The Early Show

Bad news: Teabagger quack Dana Loesch will be a part of ABC's election night coverage. Go on FNC is where this nutcase belongs!

**Providing analysis and historical context will be ABC News contributors George Will, Cokie Roberts, Donna Brazile and Matthew Dowd. They will be joined by Ron Brownstein, Editorial Director for the National Journal Group and conservative commentator Dana Loesch.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/pressroom/


Dana The Diva, on last night's AC360:

COOPER: There is a really interesting story about leaked e-mails I want to talk about with you.

They involve the Senate candidate from Alaska Joe Miller and Todd Palin. Now, Mr. Palin says there's no story here, there's nothing to see, folks, just kind of move along.

But a leaked e-mail that he sent to Joe Miller and others hints at his sharp political teeth, and perhaps -- perhaps -- Sarah Palin's presidential ambitions.

The e-mail and one from Miller to his campaign associates followed a television appearance on Fox News Sunday where Miller, the Palin-supported nominee, obviously, was asked -- quote -- "Would you support her," meaning Sarah Palin, "for president?"

Take a look at his answer.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NEIL CAVUTO, HOST, FOX NEWS CHANNEL: Would you support her for president?

JOE MILLER (R), ALASKA SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: You know, we have been asked that question before.

CAVUTO: Really? I'm surprised.

MILLER: There are a number of great candidates out there, including -- I have been, actually -- but -- but we have had, you know, a number of people that have introduced their names as potential candidates in 2012.

Certainly, Palin is on the top of that ticket. You've got a number of folk that any one of which would be better than President Obama.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Now, here's the e-mail that that appearance apparently triggered from Todd Palin to Joe Miller and others.

Quote: "Sarah put her ass on the line for Joe, and yet he can't answer a simple question: is Sarah Palin qualified to be president? I DON'T KNOW IF SHE IS." The caps are his. Now, we should mention that, in the interview, as you saw, Joe Miller did not say those words, "I don't know if she is." Todd Palin later said that he had just been told that is what she said -- he said.

The e-mail goes on: "Joe, please explain how this endorsement stuff works. Is it to be completely one-sided? Sarah spent all morning working on a Facebook post for Joe. She won't use it, not now. Put yourself in her shoes, Joe, for one day."

So, three days later, Miller forwards this to his associates, adding -- quote -- "Just found this in my inbox. This is what we're dealing with." He goes on: "Note the date and the complete misconstruction of what I said. Holy cow."

So two things, it's a pretty rare look inside the Palin political operation, which appears to work and at least in this case, on a bit of a hair trigger at times, and a hint of perhaps Palin's presidential aspirations.

Let's talk about it with Tea Party supporter Dana Loesch, and Marc Lamont Hill, a blogger, contributor to "The Root" online magazine and host of Our World with Black Enterprise on AOL.

Dana, it's interesting. I mean, one of the other interesting things about this is, it really does show Todd Palin's role kind of as enforcer, or close role, at least, with Sarah Palin.

DANA LOESCH, ORGANIZER, ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY COALITION: It does.

It's a really interesting tone that he takes, too, because I thought one of the narratives about the Palins was that they were supposed to have this really frosty marriage, and that they didn't care for each other, and that they weren't close.

And I think Todd Palin coming to his wife's defense kind of blows that out of the water a little bit.

COOPER: Marc, what do you make of this -- of this e-mail?

MARC LAMONT HILL, HOST, OUR WORLD WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE: Well, first, it doesn't necessarily mean that. I mean, we have seen, with the Clintons, who are also reported to have this frosty sort of political relationships, they're also political assassins. And when they see their political dynasty in jeopardy, you know, they -- they -- they act on it.

I think what you see here with the Palins is a very similar kind of thing. I think they have a sense of entitlement. I think Sarah Palin strongly believes that she's the new leader of the Republican Party, and anyone who doesn't fall in line, she's going to check hard. And that's what we just saw here.

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: But, Marc, isn't it -- isn't it fair if -- if -- for -- the -- the extent to which Sarah Palin, you know, really put Joe Miller on the -- on the map and got the Tea Party Express to -- to put $600,000 behind him, and she appeared in an ad for him. Isn't it fair in the world of kind of, you know, sharp-elbow politics to expect a little love in return?

HILL: Absolutely.

And if -- if Joe had actually said that "I can't say that she's qualified to be president," that would be a very hard blow. But what was actually said is something far more ordinary in politics, which is that, "I'm not going to endorse a Republican nominee right now or a candidate right now, this early in the race, because I have a lot of dogs in the fight." I think that was fairly ordinary. I think it was fine.

COOPER: Dana, what -- what else -- do you think this does indicate that Sarah Palin is, you know, at least seriously considering running for president?

LOESCH: Oh, definitely.

I think she's kind of tossing it around back and forth, deciding if she -- if she wants to run or not. But I also don't think we can pass judgment on what the Palins, what they were or were not thinking, because we don't know into what context these remarks were delivered to Todd Palin.

If he says that he was told that he heard Joe Miller disparaging Sarah Palin, then, of course. I mean, anyone in his right mind is going to come to their defense of their wife. I -- I just think it shows Todd Palin being kind of a stand-up guy.

But I definitely do think that she's --

HILL: Not if you're doing --

LOESCH: -- she's considering something.

HILL: You know, I think, if you're doing big-league politics at this level, I mean, you do -- you don't just send an e-mail like that out. You have a team. You have advisers.

LOESCH: Oh, yes. Everybody does it.

HILL: You actually investigate. You find out if it's true or not.

LOESCH: Oh, no.

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: But the fact that it leaked out --

LOESCH: Well, no one -- no one -- no one even called Todd -- no one even called Todd Palin to say, hey, Todd, what -- did you -- what did you mean by this? What was behind this e-mail?

Nobody called Todd Palin. Everyone sort of like speculated, until he came out after the fact and said, "Hey, I had heard that there was a really disparaging remark," because if you look at the -- if you look at his remarks, he doesn't even quote Joe Miller accurately.

So, it does lend --

HILL: Exactly.

LOESCH: You have to admit, it does lend a little bit of -- of validity to that. COOPER: Very briefly, I want to ask you about this other story.

Last night, on John King, USA, Bob Woodward hinted that an Obama-Hillary Clinton ticket in 2012 was on the table. The White House batted it down today. So did -- so did sources close to Clinton.

What do you -- what do you think? Do you think it's possible, Marc?

HILL: No. I think it reeks of desperation. Do I think it will be a stronger ticket? Absolutely. But I think that it reeks of desperation. I think what the Democrats need to do instead of trying to replace the vice presidential slot, what they need to do is trumpet their victories. They need to do more on the domestic agenda to push what they've done successfully, which is a lot. Otherwise they won't energize their base.

LOESCH: Yes.

HILL: I think this move doesn't work.

COOPER: Dana, do you think it would energize the base? Do think it will get some of those independents who may be looking at -- you know, the folks you like, the Tea Party?

LOESCH: Hmm, I don't know. I mean the Clintons do have a little bit more of a history of being a little bit more moderate than Obama does, but I totally agree with Marc. I want the Democrats to run on everything that they've passed. I think that does -- I think that would be a wonderful campaign strategy, especially considering how well health care has been polling lately.

COOPER: Mark, are you worried that Dana is agreeing on this?

(CROSSTALK)

HILL: That -- no, because Dana's thinking about the Tea Party spin on what the Democrats have done. I'm talking about a -- I'm talking about progress on jobs.

LOESCH: No, that's just the polls.

HILL: I'm talking about a great HIV/AIDS agenda. I'm talking about education reform. There are a host of Democratic victories that people on the right don't acknowledge.

LOESCH: Oh, yes, I desperately --

HILL: What they do is they spin it, which is politically wise but it's just not accurate.

LOESCH: I desperately want to hear Democrats talk about vouchers.

HILL: You want the Tea Party re-mix to what the Democrats have done.

LOESCH: No, that's mainstream America. You can't just say it's like the Tea Party anymore. This is mainstream America.

HILL: People keep saying --

LOESCH: I desperately want Democrats to explain their stance on the voucher system.

COOPER: All right.

LOESCH: Please, let's run on that. I love it.

COOPER: We've got to go. Marc Lamont Hill, appreciate it. Dana Loesch, always good to have you on, thanks.

LOESCH: Thank you.

COOPER: One other political note, with polling continuing to show the Democrats heading into a buzz saw at the ballot box next month, and critics are putting some of the blame obviously on President Obama -- a lot of the blame -- it was the topic A tonight on Parker Spitzer. Take a look.

Full Transcript of 10.06.2010's AC360



Dana Loesch, on today's The Early Show, on CBS:


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6935186n&tag=mg;earlyshow

Also, Dana had on Michael "Whiner" Savage (who she filled in for on at least one occasion) on KFTK's The Dana Show:


http://www.971talk.com/dana/podcast.aspx

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News From The Other side has this piece on how much of a jackass Dana is.

Is This The Voice of Anger Politics?

Yes, Dana Loesch is the "literal definition of shrill"! Yes readers, this gal is a "Republican" as well, and as you can see she will place the butcher knife in her own parties back quicker than you can blink. This very anger she emits in this video is the same gal on PJTV, Rupert Murdoch TV (AKA Fox News), and now to be subject matter expert on ABC news with Sawyer and Stephanopoulos.

As we see from the video Dana is speaking too about 5 St. Louis voters going to the court house to pay their parking fine.

We realize here at NFTOS that we give this tool way to much print. But she is the master at irritating, and she certainly grates us here at the horseshoe. We have searched and searched for an honest background check on her, and the only things that come up are self written blurbs by Dana herself.

Dana is often rattling off the predictable drivel of lower taxes, smaller government and the "intent of the founding fathers on mainstream media. We here at NFTOS hope Dana keeps going on cable news shows and continues talking about how she would like to abolish Social Security. It's almost as if she's a double agent working for the Democratic party from inside the tea bagger movement.

The mentality of Loesch is know better than the other hate radio show host like Beck, and Limbaugh etc. Dana is really so far out of her element, it would appear that Dana is a trained circus monkey who parrots what she obviously hears on right-wing shows more popular than her own-she's also a tool who calls callers "pricks" and hangs up them when they corner her with logic.

http://newsfromotherside.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-this-voice-of-anger-polotics.html

Dana The Diva being her racist, Teabagger self again by suggesting that "Liberals are racists"

Dana The Diva's back up to her old racist tricks again: this time by claiming that the Dems are Racists Card, and her incessant mentions of "Gladney beaten by 'Union Thugs'":

Former OFA Worker in Village Voice: “Decay of White Brain”

September 29, 2010

by DanaLoesch

Here is a formula:

Poorly write a too-long, not-smart-enough-to-be-snarky racist piece on the “white brain.”

Because your business is worried that it might not get enough traffic on its own, hire a PR/social media firm to send out emails like the one below baiting bloggers into giving an otherwise undeserving piece written for shock’s sake (you remember what I said about shock as art) some attention.

The article is a frosh attempt to characterize the entire conservative movement as being solely Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and a few other white people. Thrasher insists that it’s an all-white movement.

While Thrasher projects, he ignores:

- The Kenneth Gladney beating

- The NAACP presser wherein Gladney was ridiculed and called slurs in public

- White liberal/progressive/socialists mocking and name-calling black Republicans, on tape, at the 8/28 event in DC

- Bill Clinton’s remark on Obama: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”

- Harry Reid: Obama — a “light-skinned” African American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

- Obama: Blacks are a ‘Mongrel’ People

- The revered former KKK grand cyclops/dragon/something Democrat Robert Byrd a few years before his death:

This piece is indeed proof that Loesch, like Jim Hoft, from Gateway Pundit, is indeed a race-baiter.


This tweet was posted by LisaDeP:

Don't shop at union grocery stores. Don't give money to those who exploit workers to put money in union thugs' pockets. -@dloesch

Dana, NOT all Unions are "thugs," but a few bad apples in the unions don't make the rest of them "thugs." This is crap I'd expect from the Fixed Noise's Saturday "Business" Shows, which are nothing more than the I Hate Unions and Liberals Hour. Shopping at Union-friendly stores makes more an American.

@DLoesch: "We may have a weak president now, but we're getting ready to change that." - Liz Cheney to Iran #sgs10

Note to Loesch and Liz Cheney: Obama's NOT a weak president on national security.

More proof that Dana'a an evil coward:

LookingforWise Robert Hahn

@DLoesch Sad that I respond to your tweet and now I'm blocked, typical of the 'conservatives', rather than debate, block or avoid!

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I swear, Dana Loesch is Phyllis Schlafly Lite. She's working on losing the 'lite,' though.

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The @dloesch defense (for any occasion): sputter...sputter...KENNETH GLADNEY!....sputter...sputter...LIBEL!....sputter...DEFAMATION! #stl

Tea Party's John Burns Involved In James O'Keefe's Plot to "Seduce" CNN Correspondent

John Burns of American Majority and the St. Louis tea party was implicated in a story about disgraced conservative hitman James O'Keefe's ploy to "embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating palace of pleasure' and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning document show," according to CNN. Burns is best known in St. Louis for leading the tea party's failed efforts to block funding for public transportation, for ridiculously accusing Washington University of "fraud" in the aftermath of a hoax conducted by him and O'Keefe, and, worst of all, for writing "free abortions" on the back of a sign in an attempt to sabotage pro-gay marriage rally.

As expected, Loesch blamed it on the "Liberal Media."

Last night on Anderson Cooper 360, Roland Martin owned Liaresch's butt.


Fittingly, Dana "Comments Off" Loesch has been named Riverfront Times's Best Of St. Louis' Lightning Rod:

Mom-blogger. Tea-Partier. Host of radio's The Dana Show. Oh, and don't forget, a former liberal. Dana Loesch's metamorphosis has proven quite the spectacle. The self-described smart aleck from south county is now a frequent commentator for Tea Party causes on nightly cable news channels, from MSNBC to CNN to FOX News, and the conservative media baron Andrew Breitbart counts her as one of his most popular contributors on biggovernment.com. All of which makes St. Louis lefties' blood boil:

She does make my (like other Liberals and even some Conservatives) blood boil. The Ultimate Satan Of St. Louis will be on Most Hated St. Louisans list for decades to come.


http://www.riverfronttimes.com/bestof/2010/award/best-lightning-rod-1101879/

Loesch falsely claims that "Liberals quiet on Conservative Assaults"

So, Dana Loesch is back to her usual tactic: Blame the Liberals... this time regarding on how "Media Matters's Eric Boehlert suddenly cares about women."

Libs Quiet on Conservative Assaults

September 25, 2010

by DanaLoesch

I’ve been watching Media Matters fake concern over the Reid-supporting chick punched at a townhall forum this week.

Suddenly Eric Boehlert is a defender of women. Except when those women are conservative, because hey, Kelly Owens and Allee Bautsch TOTALLY had it coming, right?

Because Media Matters likes to portray itself to its three readers as being objective and high enough to serve as a faux-journalism critique, I expected to find tons on the on-video, cop-witnessed (as per police report) assault of Kelly Owens by the SEIU crowd. So I did a little search in the Media Matters’ archives:

What? That bastion of media purity, the calvary to the rightwing media, the Soros-funded “media” outlet didn’t have anything about the assault of conservative Kelly Owens?

OK, so I imagine that they’re hurriedly drafting a post now to remedy that glaring oversight, since, afterall, they’re such huge defenders of women all of a sudden.

News for you, Dana: Media Matters is NOT funded by George Soros (unlike what the Republicans claim), but there are many Republican groups who do the EXACT same thing and do they bat an eye? NO!

- More lefty assaults, lefty screeching and intimidation, threats of assault, advocating violence, hateful rallies.

Meanwhile, the tea parties repudiate any such things.

Violence in lieu of discourse is wrong, period. Party, ideology is irrelevant.

Why are only the conservatives saying this, though?

Maybe Media Matters can do a story on it.

Dana Loesch is still harping on Gladney (and likely will never stop) and claiming that the "Liberals are violent," when it's the Conservatives doing these vile things.

And since the exact women of whom I speak couldn't bring themselves to repudiate the threats against my family, the Owens assault ...

. @JustinSnyderFL Prove racism. You are a typical sexist liberal male. Congrats for taking ur hand out of ur pants long enough to Tweet. 9:32 PM Sep 24th via Seesmic Desktop in reply to JustinSnyderFL

What a diva this woman is.

She (like rest of the STL Teabagger Hate Cabal) is also endorsing the dishonest Ed Martin in MO-03, Todd Akin in MO-02, and Roy Blunt in MO-Senate.

Paying Chris Loesch's business $5,000 while wife Dana Loesch attacked Martin's Republican primary opponent.

Hypocritically hiding from debates with John Wayne Tucker

Cheering on his supporters and campaigners booting and torching a photo of Russ Carnahan.

http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/st-louis-tea-party-endorsements.html

A Recent tweet from @STLActivistHub:

It's excuse for Loesch to attack looks of women she disagrees with. For example, she has said that women in Emily's List have "hair lips."

Dana Loesch = DIVA!

If you want proof that Dana Loesch is an arrogant lying Diva, then look no further than this posting:

Trouble in Tea Party Land?

Is St. Louis big enough for two tea party divas? There was an extremely interesting comment the other day that read as follows: There sure was a big distance between Dana and Gina Loudon that day. Later Gina had on her Facebook wall:

Loesch bills herself as the "conservative alternative to old white dudes." Gina Loudon says she's the, "the freshest conservative, Christian voice in the St. Louis area." Hmmm, sounds kinda similar to me. Is Dana peeved that Loudon is copying her schtick? Knowing Loesch, she's probably threatened to sue for copyright infringement about 10 times by now.

Dana trying to play her "Liberals are using Obama = Hitler imagery" Card again: It's the LaRouchists and Teabaggers doing it.

The Tea Party Guide to Thoughtful Political Discussion

Dana Loesch had a post up yesterday bragging about how the tea party "polices" their rallies because they asked a guy to remove a Hitler picture from his sign:


It's pretty funny that Loesch would brag about that, considering that she defended a billboard comparing Obama to Hitler back in July, on Red Eye:



It's actually not the first time she forgot her previous ridiculous comments, claiming in August that all Hitler comparisons were from left wing plants.

More crap from @DLoesch on Twitter:

Will @debbiehalvorson condemn the behavior of her campaigners after they protested with Palin, et al. Nazi signs? http://bit.ly/9d3dOl #tcot

Dana Loesch on Good Morning America against James Carville (Carville pwns Loesch):



Loesch is playing the "Liberals = Trolls/Stalkers" Card again (which she has referred to me, Adam Shriver, and a lot of Liberals):

Guy is threatening to come to the station. This is what progressives do. This is how they act. And they will never repudiate.
Just had a hatemailer threaten my children and am contacting authorities NOW. WTF pricks?

Where are the feminists when yet another conservative female is threatened? Oh, right, heads up asses. Great job, gals.

Okay, nobody should threaten @dloesch's children, even though she habitually threatens people's jobs (which threatens THEIR children). 8:24 AM Sep 17th via web, theboneblog

Eric Boehler of MMfA calls her on it:

Why is RW nut @DLoesch stalking me? http://su.pr/1fjfbl

Dana Loesch on Fixed and Fools:



Dana Loesch also is blaming Liberals for an assassination attempt on Jay Nixon (D).

Wow. Our prayers are with the college dean as he recovers and his family.

What’s that? Another case of leftist violence?

Can we get some folks on the left to calm down their rhetoric and CHILL OUT?

Who's the ones doing all (or most of it) the violence? The Teabaggers.

The rebuttal from Chad Garrison over at Daily RFT.

Casey Brezik: Paranoid Schizophrenic Intended to Kill Gov. Jay Nixon

By Chad Garrison, Thu., Sep. 16 2010 @ 7:41AM

The man who allegedly stabbed a community college official on Tuesday just before a scheduled appearance of Governor Jay Nixon had intended to kill the governor.

The Kansas City Star reports that 22-year-old Casey Brezik, a student at Metropolitan Community College -- Penn Vally, thought he had stabbed the governor and was disappointed when learning that the victim was actually the school's dean of instruction, Al Dimmit Jr., who survived the attack.

The paper reports that Brezik was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia several years ago and had only recently enrolled at the community college. His family says Brezik has a habit of writing anti-government rants on his Facebook page. In 2007 he was committed to mental hospitals at least four times and convicted of drug possession. He wears an anarchist symbol tattoo on his arm.


She falsely claims that Karl Rove is a RINO, when in fact Rove is nothing but a dirty huckster who belongs in jail.

The 09.15.2010 edition of Anderson Cooper 360 on CNN transcript with Loesch, Castellanos, and Spitzer segment

COOPER: Well, Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine is -- says he's loving the GOP turmoil.

He told The New York Times -- and I quote -- "Republicans thought they were embracing the Tea Party, and, at times, it turns into the Donner Party."

Despite Democratic hopes of Republican cannibalism, however, the enthusiasm and energy of Tea Party supporters should worry Democrats in November.

Joining me now is Eliot Spitzer, former New York governor and co- host of CNN's new program Parker Spitzer.

Also tonight, Republican consultant and political contributor Alex Castellanos and blogger and radio host Dana Loesch, who is also the co-organizer of the St. Louis Tea Party Coalition.

Appreciate all of you being with being us.

Eliot, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said -- and I quote -- "that shows there's a very vociferous debate going on inside the Republican Party for the hearts and minds of Republican voters." Is he right?

ELIOT SPITZER (D), FORMER NEW YORK GOVERNOR: Well, of course he's right, but he's also the victim of that debate, because that debate has created enthusiasm, energy.

The Tea Party is taking over the Republican Party in many states -- in Delaware, not so clear. But, right now, the Democrats are saying, we're no longer setting the agenda. And the fear the Democrats have is that this enthusiasm, even for candidates who Karl Rove admits are not credible, from many other perspectives, may continue through November, and this could be a tsunami that nobody could possibly have predicted.

COOPER: Dana, do you think O'Donnell is credible? Do you think she can win?

DANA LOESCH, ORGANIZER, ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY COALITION: I do think she can win. I think she can win as soon as Karl -- people like Karl Rove stop going on television and trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

We haven't even begun to try yet. I liked Michael Steele's approach. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Karl Rove could possibly take some notes from how Michael Steele approached this.

But that doesn't help, going on camera saying that a candidate isn't credible and just -- and talking about how, well, it took her two decades to pay off her college loans. Well, forgive her for not being rich, like you, Karl Rove, but it doesn't really -- you want to talk about winning moderates and independents, that's not the way you go about it.

It's really bizarre.

SPITZER: That's not the only measure of credibility. I don't think Karl Rove is focusing -- is focusing exclusively on, can she win?

I think there's a reputational harm that he is worried about, when the Republican Party that has a Mike Castle, who has been a serious, thoughtful public servant, is defeated by somebody whose views on issues seem to be so completely disparate and far afield from normal ideas that are tethered to fact and reason.

I think that is what Karl Rove is scared about. There's a reputational hit the Republican Party will really suffer from if they embrace candidates like this.

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: Alex, are you concerned about this?

ALEX CASTELLANOS, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: No, I think it's -- I think it demonstrates a lot of energy in the Republican Party. Look, this is an anti-establishment year, anti-Washington year. People look at all these -- these qualified people we have in Washington and working together in a bipartisan way.

And in a bipartisan way they've spent the country into bankruptcy. They've put us in debt for -- that will take forever to pay. So they want it to stop.

And that's what you're seeing, I think, this year is a -- is a populist, a revolt against the establishment of both parties. And they've just eaten the Republican establishment for a snack. Now dinnertime is November, and only Democrats are going to be on the menu.

SPITZER: Well, you know, that's a great metaphor and I applaud you for it. The problem is that the closest metaphor I think many people can see historically is to the Know Nothing Party, the Know Nothing Party of the 1840s and '50s, which was a populist uprising of anger and venom against the establishment. It burned out pretty quickly when economic times returned to normal. In that case it was anti-immigrant fervor.

CASTELLANOS: I think there's another historical precedent, Governor Spitzer. I think there's a much larger -- excuse me. I think there's a much larger historical precedent, and that's a country that was founded -- founded by a group of people that didn't want to be told what to do by an elite royalty that thought it had the answer to everything.

And right now Washington is doing that. It's bankrupted the country. And people are really concerned about it. I think the Republican Party just got a wake-up call that said, "Look, we don't want to send a message out that says we're more concerned about keeping our power in Washington than to listen to Republicans."

COOPER: Dana -- Dana, do you think it's going to burn out in any way?

LOESCH: I don't think it's going to burn out. And I want to -- Mr. Spitzer said something that was very interesting, that this isn't tethered in fact or reality.

I have to point out that Mike Castle is a very incredibly -- he's a very established beltway candidate for sure, but he's also a candidate whose record differed from where the majority of Americans polled, where they fall.

The majority of people are more identifying with the grassroots movement than they are with people like Mike Castle. I mean, there was a Rasmussen poll that was taken just -- I believe it was in August, where something like 75 percent of -- or thought of the American people thought that the congressional Democrat agenda was too extreme.

And then you look at all of the tracking that has been taking place. Gallup released a poll also in August showing that the majority of independents, they are favoring the Republican Party, meaning they're favoring the grassroots conservative candidates that are really actually providing a difference in parties.

SPITZER: You're talking...

LOESCH: Mike Castle is Democrat light.

SPITZER: You're talking -- you're talking very persuasively about poll numbers. I'm not talking now about poll numbers or what might happen in a moment in one election at one moment in time.

What I'm talking about is the seriousness of confronting deficits with policies that will really do something about it. A Bill Clinton who gave us a surplus versus George Bush, whose tax cuts created this. And so I think the difference is certain objective facts that, at the end of the day, will emerge that will shed light -- I think Ron Paul is a fascinating guy, but when he says Keynesianism is dead, he just is simply fundamentally wrong. What is dead is...

LOESCH: Castle...

SPITZER: ... the procession of libertarianism that he was a proponent of that took us over the cliff in terms of an economic crisis as close to a depression as we've had in 80 years.

LOESCH: And TARP Has been supporting policies which tripled our deficits.

CASTELLANOS: I'm sorry. Excuse me, but look, there's something out there happening that's much bigger than the Tea Party. The Tea Party is certainly a part of it, but when you look around the country, there's a new generation of Republican candidates out there.

You have independent business women outsiders in California, Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Kelly Ayotte in New Hampshire. You have Bob McDonnell in Virginia; Chris Christi in New Jersey; Scott, Massachusetts.

All these new candidates have one thing in common. They're outsiders. They're fresh faces. And they don't want to grow Washington's economy; they want to grow America's economy. They want to stop taking money out of the American people's economy and sending it to Washington.

SPITZER: Let me make something very clear.

CASTELLANOS: The Tea Party is the easiest part to focus on, because it's got the brightest feathers and is the most colorful, but it's much bigger than that. That's why Republicans are probably going to gain something like 52, 53 seats.

SPITZER: Alex, I could not agree with you more.

CASTELLANOS: Ask Americans about Keynesianism being dead. They're voting on it this election. SPITZER: Well, I could not agree with you more about growing the private sector and private sector job creation versus government. And in fact, that is what smart politics is all about.

What I'm saying is the policies coming out of the Tea Party are simply so disassociated from reality in terms of what it takes to do it. And if you sit down with a Meg Whitman; you sit down with business leaders who have grown business, who have run businesses, they will tell you that what the Tea Party is talking about and what Ron Paul is talking about is simply contrary to good economics.

And I would suggest to you the nations right now whose growth is outstripping us by huge margins, whether it's India, Vietnam, Japan, even France and Germany, you look at what they're doing, in fact I think you would find out that your perspective is being proven dead wrong by what economics is working.

COOPER: I want to give Dana the last thought.

CASTELLANOS: The Democrats...

LOESCH: Excuse me, with all due respect, though, you can't -- you can't say that economic policy which talks about spending billions of dollars for yet another stimulus after we spent 11 frillion [SIC] dollars for yet another stimulus that contributed to the deficit, that contributed to high unemployment. You can't say that that's good economic policy. And those are all things which the grassroots movement is vehemently against.

SPITZER: The underlying -- if I could just...

LOESCH: That's not good economics, that's irresponsible and that's fact.

SPITZER: I know Anderson -- The reason that was necessary, unfortunately, was because of the deregulatory policies, libertarian policies that were put in place by Tea Party-like false regulators like Alan Greenspan and Larry...

LOESCH: You mean like Chris Dodd? Because he was...

SPITZER: Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.

LOESCH: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and things like that.

SPITZER: I agree with that. That was not genuine government smart policy. I agree with that critique.

CASTELLANOS: Spitzer, advice to Democrats, spend more. I love it.

SPITZER: It's not spending. It took years to do it. What you're saying simply doesn't work.

LOESCH: ... to keep going.

COOPER: Good to have you on. Alex Castellanos, Eliot Spitzer, thanks very much.

A quick reminder. Don't miss Parker Spitzer right here on CNN, 8 Eastern Time October 4, every weekday thereafter until the competition cries uncle, I guess.

Still ahead on 360, a revelation that has Pennsylvania's governor fuming. It's one thing to keep an eye on potential terrorists but another to conduct surveillance on ordinary Americans. We're going to tell you what this is all about and the fallout that's followed.

Plus BP back on the hot seat. Tony Hayward grilled in London, insisting that short cuts were not taken to save money. Back in a moment.

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Adam Shriver pwns Dana Loesch, STL Teabagger Hate Cabal Asskisses Roy Blunt

Adam Shriver, a blogger at the STL Activist Hub, attends the 9/12 Teabagger Rally and questions one of the members of the STL Teabagger Hate Cabal (Dana Loesch) harasses him as a "stalker" and a "defamer." She has also referred me as "a person who sits in Mama's basement defaming my character."

Some points about the conversation:

The reason I hesitated about whether I'm "a Washington University employee" is because I'm on dissertation fellowship this year, so I actually was not sure whether I would be classified as an employee. However, I am pretty sure that I'm not considered "staff." It's not because I was trying to "conceal my identity" as they claim. And for the bazillionth time, I'm not, "using the university's resources to smear and libel private citizens."

Dana and her cronies are outright defamatory jerks by going after Shriver with no facts to back it up.

Speaking of which, she's still ridiculously claiming that I "libel" and "defame" her by responding to her public political statements. She also claims that responding to her opinions is equivalent to "stalking" her. On this definition, I am also "stalking" Bill Hennessy, Ed Martin, Roy Blunt, Jim Hoft, Adam Sharp, etc. etc. etc. And, for that matter, Dana Loesch is "stalking" Eric Boehlert and President Obama. She sure as hell would be "stalking" Russ Carnahan when she burned a picture of him and said, "This is how a fire smells when it's burning Tyranny" on this definition. But on the real definition, it's not stalking to criticize other people's political viewpoints that they state on blogs or on Twitter. Most people with even a modicum of intelligence realize that once you put a political opinion out on Twitter, people are going to read and respond to it. Likewise, it's not "libel" to use evidence to point out when other people are wrong.

As I say in the conversation, all of this blabber about "stalking" and "libel" is an attempt by Loesch to shut down political discourse, and shows just how scared she is of having people actually analyze her comments.

Loesch can't stand smart, well-informed people owning her in a debate, so she is a coward and is well-known for refusing to open up the comments on the Dana Radio blog and on her youtube page. Suprisingy, her show's facebook page allows comments (if you fan her).

She said I tried to expose "payola situations" and hence was "coming after her job." Well, sorry, but if her husband's business Shock City Studios gets $5,000 from Ed Martin and she fails to disclose that while giving Martin favorable coverage, then I'm going to mention it (BTW, Chad Garrison and another reporter who wasn't in a position to write about it agreed that this was a newsworthy story). It's called "a conflict of interest" and most people are capable of recognizing clear instances of it.

She thought she was clever by saying that the Congressional Black Caucus also made a video there so, "does that mean she's in the pocket of the CBC?" But, as I said in the video, I think the rules would be exactly the same. If she was reporting on the CBC, then she would have a duty to disclose that she had a financial conflict of interest. Transparency isn't only a good thing for the government. It's also quite an important feature of a well-functioning media. I tried to explain this to her but her Fox News Guide to Conversation kicked in and she simply ignored my point multiple times before changing the subject.

She says that I "attack them personally" but "never address the merits of their ideas." Hilarious.

Dana alluded to the right-wing conspiracy theory that health care reform is "unconstitutional." As I point out, this is not true according to the dominent interpretation of the commerce clause: While I agree that the recent commerce clause cases hold that Congress may not regulate noneconomic activity, as such, they also state that Congress may reach otherwise unregulable conduct as part of an overarching regulatory scheme, where the regulation of such conduct is necessary and proper to the success of such scheme. In this case, the overall scheme would involve the regulation of "commerce" as the Supreme Court has defined it for several decades, as it would involve the regulation of health care markets. And the success of such a regulatory scheme would depend upon requiring all to participate. (Among other things, if health care reform requires insurers to issue insurance to all comers, and prohibits refusals for pre-existing conditions, then a mandate is necessary to prevent opportunistic behavior by individuals who simply wait to purchase insurance until they get sick.)

The 2010 Health Care Reform Act, while not perfect, is a start.

Finally, her comment about "poll numbers" was a complete distraction. We were discussing whether the law was unconstitutional, not whether it was popular. Incidentally, the latest poll shows a very small difference between the number who view it favorably and those who view in unfavorably, 43-45.

Dana must've been using Biasmussen polls as usual.


http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/conversation-with-dana-loesch.html





Also, this moron tried to claim 14,000 showed up, when in fact maybe 4,000 at the most showed up.

Bill Streeter said this to me on Twitter:

@JGibsonATRL my estimate is 3k on the high side (99% white) about 13 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to JGibsonATRL

Want further proof that the STL Tea Party kisses up to Roy Blunt:
A long while ago, the St. Louis took their shot at being a group that actually fought for the values they claimed to endorse. They held a press conference demanding that Roy Blunt endorse Doug Hoffman in the NY-23 race over Dede Scozzafava. They said that if he didn't, "We will vote you out! We will come at you with so much heat, you won't even know how to handle it!"

Roy Blunt didn't endorse Hoffman. He completely ignored the St. Louis tea party. And that was the moment that any claims the St. Louis tea party had of truly standing for conservative values rather than the same old GOP establishment faded away forever. The St. Louis tea party was broken.

Blunt's primary opponent Chuck Purgason did endorse Hoffman. But that didn't make any difference to the St. Louis tea party leadership. They still supported Roy Bailout Blunt, even as 28 other tea party groups around the state did not (and as, nationally, tea party groups took out Republican incumbents). At yesterday's tea party rally in St. Louis, the St. Louis tea party gave Blunt center stage.



http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/st-louis-tea-party-decides-to-be-even.html

9/12 Teabagger Rally in STL: The STL Teabagger Hate Cabal's run-up + Tony Perkins claims that "Christian Television will be off the air"

The STL Teabagger Hate Cabal is leading the charge on that the "rallies aren't political," when fact they are really nothing more than anti-Democrat/Obama rallies, because they can't stand the fact that we have a duly elected Black Democratic president in office.

First, the Ultimate Satan of the St. Louis Area has this piece, intercepted by Adam Shriver.

Unintentional Irony Alert: The Astroturf St. Louis Tea Party

Dana Loesch was angry about the fact that singer Kim Massie backed out of the 9/12 tea party rally because she didn't want to be used as a political pawn, and had the following to say on her blog:

Something to note: Massie was invited by the Lt. Governor of Missouri and was reportedly excited to debut her song about 9/11 at the 9/12 event. It was never marketed as anything but a tea party event.

Sad that the left is so uncomfortable with the idea of a huge grassroots movement which isn’t under the sway of a political party.

So Loesch says that the tea party "isn't under the sway of a political party," just two sentences after noting that the Republican Lt. Governor was helping to book guests for the rally! When Republican politicians are scheduling your guests for you, yes you are under the sway of a political party!

The St. Louis tea party has been astroturf from the very start, and their support of Republican insiders like Roy Blunt and Ed Martin only reinforces that fact.

Kim Massie WILL NOT Perform at Tea Party Rally

Out of the long list of usual suspects who will be speaking at this Sunday's tea party, there was one pretty surprising guest: renowned vocalist Kim Massie. I guess we found out why: apparently, the tea party didn't inform her that this was going to be a political rally.

At least Kim Massie has the balls to say no to the hatemongers, unlike LaRussa and Pujols.



Next, the Astroturfing whacko Ed Martin had this from his blog:

I'm all for people sharing their memories of and reflections about the tragic events from September 11, 2001. It was a catastrophic loss of life and something that is indelibly imprinted on all Americans who lived through that time. Its anniversary should be an event that brings us together in mourning and contemplation, but unfortunately shameless politicians like Ed Martin try to exploit that tragedy to attack their political opponents. Check out these paragraphs from Martin's post today titled "September 11th – Nine Years Later:"
http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/ed-martin-exploits-911-for-political.html
http://edmartinforcongress.com/3197/september-11th-nine-years-later/

Next up: Islamophobia at the 9/12 Teabagger Rally: They really are racist whackjobs who hate ANYTHING that isn't white, straight, Christian, Republican, and/or Conservative.

Tea Party Attendee: "Wish Me Luck and No Muslims"

A member of the Dallas tea party flying in to St. Louis for the 9/12 rally had this to say today:



Every one of these idiots is implying that ALL of Islam is evil. I have no idea how anyone could grow up in a population center like St. Louis or Dallas and be so completely ignorant about the fact that decent, hard-working, peaceful Muslims are integrated throughout American society. They have to be locking themselves in a basement 24 hours a day with a radio that only plays 97.1. And even that wouldn't work perfectly, since I heard Dave Glover on the radio making some reasonable comments as he guest hosted Glenn Beck's show. Honestly, I don't understand how people can be that clueless.

Anyway, if the tea party wants their claims to be "open-minded" and "tolerant" to be taken seriously, they need to condemn these types of comments at their rally.

http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/tea-party.html


If you think that the Teabaggers are just "average Americans who are trying to save our freedoms," then you better think again with this next article in that the Astroturfed Tea Party is encouraging the use of Public Transportation after they demonized it back in April and in other past instances (St. Charles County back in the 90's, etc...)

Tea Party Asks People To Use The Light Rail They Tried to Destroy

Only a few months ago, the St. Louis tea party was screaming "SOCIALISM" and claiming that St. Louis did not have the population density to support light rail. They tried to block a sales tax increase that was needed to restore the public transportation system in St. Louis. Fortunately for them, their attempts to defeat EVIL SOCIALIST public transportation failed miserably, because they are now encouraging people to use MetroLink to get to the 9/12 rally:



http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/09/tea-party-asks-people-to-use-light-rail.html


ThinkProgress has this dandy: Tony Perkins is falsely trying to claim that "TBN, Daystar, EWTN, INSP, TCT, the whole Right-Wing Pro-Israel Lobby Religious Networks will be shut down." In fact, that will NEVER happen, as long as greedy, Right-Wing Bible-thumping snakeoil preachers are making money. They also love to say that "The Liberals/Anti-Christians are taking our rights away to preach the 'truth' and throwing us in jail" nonsense. A preacher WON'T go to jail for preaching against abortion, homosexuality, etc...

TBN, Daystar, EWTN, TCT, CBN, and all of the countless other channels ARE aiding and abetting not only the GOP/Focus On The Family/First Things (who Hoft blogs for)-issued talking points, but also peddling the Creationist, Messianic Jewish (Daystar and TBN especially), and the Prosperity Gospel Movement.

When David Boies debated Family Research Council president Tony Perkins on Face The Nation, he pointed out that while “it’s easy to sit around and debate and throw around opinions, appeal to people’s fear and prejudice, cite studies that either don’t exist or don`t say what you say they do, in a court of law, you`ve got to come in and you`ve got to support those opinions.” “And what we saw at trial is that it`s very easy for the people who want to deprive gay and lesbian citizens the right to vote to make all sorts of statements and campaign literature, or in debates, where they can`t be cross-examined, but when they come into court and they have to support those opinions and they have to defend those opinions under oath and cross- examination, those opinions just melt away,” he said.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/09/09/perkins-religious-belief/